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Bro Cadoré: Preaching is the announcement that God is coming

Marzena Devoud’s interview with the Master bro Bruno Cadoré on Aleteia France published on Novembr 15, 2018 and also re-published from the Order’s website. Our translation

6000 friars, 10000 contemplative nuns,  30,000 apostolic sisters and 200,000 lay members: that’s how many people, on the five continents, live the spirituality of St Dominic. Bruno Cadoré is the 87th Master of the Order of Preachers. As his mandate approaches its end, he takes the floor in a book of great spiritual depth, Écouter avec Lui l’envers du monde(Listening with him to the other side of the world).

Interview

Libro CadoréIt was in 2010 that the Dominicans chose as their Master this Frenchman whose roots mingle the land of Burgundy and of Martinique. His original formation, which brought together medicine and theology, made it possible for him to engage deeply in research and teaching on bioethics, and in participation in the National Council on AIDS, at the time when he was responsible for his Province. And as he is about to leave the leadership of the Order, Br Bruno has decided to take the floor both to recall the mission of the Dominican Family in the contemporary world and to invite all Christians to this “joy of knowing that God wants to speak in the world”.

Aleteia: The Order of Preachers was founded 800 years ago. How can it evangelise in the 21st-century world?

Bruno Cadoré: That’s an important question! Obviously so many things have changed – and at the same time, nothing has changed! Evangelisation is always first and foremost an encounter. The challenge today is knowing how preachers are going to proclaim the Gospel to the men and women of our time.  Evangelisation is first being silent and fading away behind the Word of Jesus. It’s important to calculate the point at which human words prove to be too fragile to echo Him appropriately.

It seems to me that the answer lies close to those who have a liking for genuine encounters with people. Those who, even before wondering what they should say or do, want to go out and meet others. That’s what preaching is, nothing of the preacher and everything of Him.  It doesn’t matter whether it’s long or short, silence is the basis of the mystery, so that it is imposed after communion or during the homily.

Is it necessary to be “intimate with God” as St Dominic was if we are to have a true encounter with the other?

God is so different, so “other” than us! and at the same time, he’s so close! Preaching is the announcement that God is coming near. This is the message of the preacher, and of Jesus too. God, so great, high and different, draws near to us. That’s the most important message of the Gospel.

How did your own progression with the Dominicans go?

I met the preachers – without even looking for them! Certainly, I wanted to meet God, to experience something with him. I especially remember the day I visited a Dominican community. I simply felt at home. At my ease. What’s important is this feeling, at the moment of an encounter, that you’ve arrived in the right place. Even if you haven’t made special preparation for this meeting, there’s a moment when everything falls into place. Often it’s been in preparation for a long time, even for something you haven’t particularly been looking for.

What does it mean to you to live as a brother in a community?

We share the same destiny. My brother shares my destiny, my life, my concerns, my tastes, my troubles, my joys. Its as tough we were bound by the same destiny. That doesn’t mean that he is like me. We remain different, but we share what happens to one another. What troubles one brother troubles me, what makes him glad makes me glad.

And obedience?

For me, obedience is listening to the Word of God, listening to the Word of the One who says that he is coming, he is drawing near. Human obedience is rooted in this first, fundamental listening, namely to the Word of God: “I come”. Obedience in fraternity allows each of us to put himself at the service of this Word. Among the friars, obedience is also entrusting one’s own vocation to his brethren. Putting your trust in others so that they can help us and teach us how to listen to this Word that is drawing near, and how to answer him. It’s entrusting our wish to listen to the Word to the attention of others.

In your book you allude to the special place of women in Dominican spirituality, speaking especially of women’s wakefulness and contemplation. What is their vocation?

In our Dominican family there are men and women, religious and laity, clerics and non-clerics. I think we must give women their rightful place in the Church, and we’re living in an astounding period for this. It’s not only a question of re-balancing ecclesiastical offices and powers. For me, women’s place lies in reciprocity. That word says much more than equality. Reciprocity embraces equality by including mutual dependence. It says that the freedom of one is under the vigilance of the freedom of the other. In preaching and proclaiming the Word of God, women have their own specific ability to contemplate and be wakeful. They are the most likely to listen to the One who is drawing near. Every human being is awake to life, but women have their own way of being so. Evangelisation isn’t only depositing the Word in someone, it’s being awake to the begetting of this Word in him or her. Not for nothing is the apostle of the apostles a woman: it’s a question of being awake to the begetting of someone by the Word.

You say that Mary Magdalen, the apostle of the apostles is the custodian moved by the totality of the Proclamation…

She is the one who at the end of a squandered life… she comes to pay homage to the body of the One who had been killed. She doesn’t find him. She’s troubled at what might have happened to him now. Everything that had given meaning to her life seems to collapse. She’s troubled to see that Christ is no longer there.  Then she hears a voice. She sees a gardener, this meeting troubles her.  That voice speaking to her moves her to her very depths, she is renewed with that relationship that had given meaning to her life. She’s moved at being called by her name, at recovering that unique bond that she had had with her Lord. Jesus reveals to her that it really is He, that he is speaking to her. So she must go beyond emotion, to go ahead of the Word of God and bring it to birth among the others. We need this emotion, of feeling that God comes close to every one of us. Mary Magdalen experienced this closeness with Jesus again. She understands then that she has been sent to allow others to experience this closeness in their turn.

Écouter avec Lui l’envers du monde is the title of your book. What is this “other side of the world”?

It’s what we don’t see. What the tunic covers, the body of Christ. What we might forget. Forget to say or to take into consideration: those who believe they have no place in the world, those who are too fragile or lost, those who don’t count and yet are essential to keep the tunic whole. There’s just one garment, just one tunic, just one piece… There’s no front side without a reverse side. When the tunic is damaged, it’s from the reverse side that it is sewn together again. You can’t forget that. We are all fully-fledged people: we all share the same humanity. There is no right to indifference about whatever we may judge to be less important.

How do we listen to the other side of the world with God?

Don’t we all know more or less instinctively? I don’t feel tat I know better than others. But I believe that to be truly in the presence of someone, one of your friends for instance, you first have to be in the presence of yourself. You must genuinely want to be with yourself. The two go together, without a prior condition. In fact, God helps us to put ourselves in the presence of ourselves. To go towards him is to hope for a transformation of ourselves thanks to this encounter.

That’s to say make an act of abandonment?

You have to do what you can. Excessively detailed aims are not very important. What’s necessary is to stay on course, on the road to the meeting with Him. Not in order to know something more, but to let him change something in our lives. You have to wait for something to change, without knowing exactly what or even if we’ll be up to it. Wait and let it work.

How can you keep hope strong?

You have experience in yourself. There’s no recipe or universal plan of action. What we all need is someone who’ll tell us s/he’s with us unconditionally. We want to be able to count in another person’s eyes unconditionally whatever s/he may do. A person who will stick by me whatever happens. It’s this faithful presence that makes the ability to hope come to life in me.

What do you say to those who feel called to a commitment as a religious or a lay Dominican but doubt that they’re equal to it?

It0s the Gospel, it’s Jesus who draws near to me. Do I want to contribute to this approach to others? I’m not sure I’m capable of it, I know that I won’t be up to it every day, that I’ll meet many hindrances. That doesn’t matter, I don’t doubt Jesus and his word. How isn’t so important, it’s not my wish to be up to it that counts, it’s the Word that puts itself at my level. The Word of God never asks more than we are capable of. Sometimes we waste too much time wondering if we’re capable of this or that. We should rather ask ourselves: this Word of God is capable of me. It wants to draw near to the world. Do I believe it?

I like to tell this story. One of my beloved brethren told me that man often asks God for his address, and God invites him to … the other side of the world. That’s his address, because he stays with those who, in their own eyes, think that they don’t count. Now, for God, everyone counts.

 

 

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Marzena Devoud's interview with the Master bro Bruno Cadoré on Aleteia France published on Novembr 15, 2018 and also re-published from the Order's website. Our translation 6000 friars, 10000 contemplative nuns,  30,000 apostolic sisters and 200,000 lay members: that’s how many people, on the five continents, live the spirituality of...
Marzena Devoud's interview with the Master bro Bruno Cadoré on <a href="https://fr.aleteia.org/2018/11/15/bruno-cadore-la-predication-cest-lannonce-que-dieu-sapproche/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Aleteia France published on Novembr 15, 2018</span> </a>and also <a href="http://www.op.org/fr/content/bruno-cadore-la-predication-cest-lannonce-que-dieu-sapproche" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">re-published from the Order's website</span></a>. Our translation <em><strong>6000 friars, 10000 contemplative nuns,  30,000 apostolic sisters and 200,000 lay members: that’s how many people, on the five continents, live the spirituality of St Dominic. Bruno Cadoré is the 87<sup>th</sup> Master of the Order of Preachers. As his mandate approaches its end, he takes the floor in a book of great spiritual depth, </strong></em><strong>Écouter avec Lui l'envers du monde</strong><em><strong>(Listening with him to the other side of the world).</strong></em> <strong>Interview</strong> <a href="http://www.fraternitiesop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Libro-Cadoré.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2310 alignleft" src="http://www.fraternitiesop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Libro-Cadoré-193x300.jpeg" alt="Libro Cadoré" width="193" height="300" /></a>It was in 2010 that the Dominicans chose as their Master this Frenchman whose roots mingle the land of Burgundy and of Martinique. His original formation, which brought together medicine and theology, made it possible for him to engage deeply in research and teaching on bioethics, and in participation in the National Council on AIDS, at the time when he was responsible for his Province. And as he is about to leave the leadership of the Order, Br Bruno has decided to take the floor both to recall the mission of the Dominican Family in the contemporary world and to invite all Christians to this “joy of knowing that God wants to speak in the world”. <strong>Aleteia: The Order of Preachers was founded 800 years ago. How can it evangelise in the 21<sup>st</sup>-century world?</strong> <strong>Bruno Cadoré:</strong> That’s an important question! Obviously so many things have changed – and at the same time, nothing has changed! Evangelisation is always first and foremost an encounter. The challenge today is knowing how preachers are going to proclaim the Gospel to the men and women of our time.  Evangelisation is first being silent and fading away behind the Word of Jesus. It’s important to calculate the point at which human words prove to be too fragile to echo Him appropriately. It seems to me that the answer lies close to those who have a liking for genuine encounters with people. Those who, even before wondering what they should say or do, want to go out and meet others. That’s what preaching is, nothing of the preacher and everything of Him.  It doesn’t matter whether it’s long or short, silence is the basis of the mystery, so that it is imposed after communion or during the homily. <strong>Is it necessary to be “intimate with God” as St Dominic was if we are to have a true encounter with the other?</strong> God is so different, so “other” than us! and at the same time, he’s so close! Preaching is the announcement that God is coming near. This is the message of the preacher, and of Jesus too. God, so great, high and different, draws near to us. That’s the most important message of the Gospel. <strong>How did your own progression with the Dominicans go?</strong> I met the preachers – without even looking for them! Certainly, I wanted to meet God, to experience something with him. I especially remember the day I visited a Dominican community. I simply felt at home. At my ease. What’s important is this feeling, at the moment of an encounter, that you’ve arrived in the right place. Even if you haven’t made special preparation for this meeting, there’s a moment when everything falls into place. Often it’s been in preparation for a long time, even for something you haven’t particularly been looking for. <strong>What does it mean to you to live <em>as a brother</em> in a community?</strong> We share the same destiny. My brother shares my destiny, my life, my concerns, my tastes, my troubles, my joys. Its as tough we were bound by the same destiny. That doesn’t mean that he is like me. We remain different, but we share what happens to one another. What troubles one brother troubles me, what makes him glad makes me glad. <strong>And obedience?</strong> For me, obedience is listening to the Word of God, listening to the Word of the One who says that he is coming, he is drawing near. Human obedience is rooted in this first, fundamental listening, namely to the Word of God: “I come”. Obedience in fraternity allows each of us to put himself at the service of this Word. Among the friars, obedience is also entrusting one’s own vocation to his brethren. Putting your trust in others so that they can help us and teach us how to listen to this Word that is drawing near, and how to answer him. It’s entrusting our wish to listen to the Word to the attention of others. <strong>In your book you allude to the special place of women in Dominican spirituality, speaking especially of women’s wakefulness and contemplation. What is their vocation?</strong> In our Dominican family there are men and women, religious and laity, clerics and non-clerics. I think we must give women their rightful place in the Church, and we’re living in an astounding period for this. It’s not only a question of re-balancing ecclesiastical offices and powers. For me, women’s place lies in reciprocity. That word says much more than equality. Reciprocity embraces equality by including mutual dependence. It says that the freedom of one is under the vigilance of the freedom of the other. In preaching and proclaiming the Word of God, women have their own specific ability to contemplate and be wakeful. They are the most likely to listen to the One who is drawing near. Every human being is awake to life, but women have their own way of being so. Evangelisation isn’t only depositing the Word in someone, it’s being awake to the begetting of this Word in him or her. Not for nothing is the apostle of the apostles a woman: it’s a question of being awake to the begetting of someone by the Word. <strong>You say that Mary Magdalen, the apostle of the apostles is the custodian moved by the totality of the Proclamation…</strong> She is the one who at the end of a squandered life… she comes to pay homage to the body of the One who had been killed. She doesn’t find him. She’s troubled at what might have happened to him now. Everything that had given meaning to her life seems to collapse. She’s troubled to see that Christ is no longer there.  Then she hears a voice. She sees a gardener, this meeting troubles her.  That voice speaking to her moves her to her very depths, she is renewed with that relationship that had given meaning to her life. She’s moved at being called by her name, at recovering that unique bond that she had had with her Lord. Jesus reveals to her that it really is He, that he is speaking to her. So she must go beyond emotion, to go ahead of the Word of God and bring it to birth among the others. We need this emotion, of feeling that God comes close to every one of us. Mary Magdalen experienced this closeness with Jesus again. She understands then that she has been sent to allow others to experience this closeness in their turn. <strong><em>Écouter avec Lui l'envers du monde</em></strong><strong> is the title of your book. What is this “other side of the world”?</strong> It’s what we don’t see. What the tunic covers, the body of Christ. What we might forget. Forget to say or to take into consideration: those who believe they have no place in the world, those who are too fragile or lost, those who don’t count and yet are essential to keep the tunic whole. There’s just one garment, just one tunic, just one piece… There’s no front side without a reverse side. When the tunic is damaged, it’s from the reverse side that it is sewn together again. You can’t forget that. We are all fully-fledged people: we all share the same humanity. There is no right to indifference about whatever we may judge to be less important. <strong>How do we listen to the other side of the world with God?</strong> Don’t we all know more or less instinctively? I don’t feel tat I know better than others. But I believe that to be truly in the presence of someone, one of your friends for instance, you first have to be in the presence of yourself. You must genuinely want to be with yourself. The two go together, without a prior condition. In fact, God helps us to put ourselves in the presence of ourselves. To go towards him is to hope for a transformation of ourselves thanks to this encounter. <strong>That’s to say make an act of abandonment?</strong> You have to do what you can. Excessively detailed aims are not very important. What’s necessary is to stay on course, on the road to the meeting with Him. Not in order to know something more, but to let him change something in our lives. You have to wait for something to change, without knowing exactly what or even if we’ll be up to it. Wait and let it work. <strong>How can you keep hope strong?</strong> You have experience in yourself. There’s no recipe or universal plan of action. What we all need is someone who’ll tell us s/he’s with us unconditionally. We want to be able to count in another person’s eyes unconditionally whatever s/he may do. A person who will stick by me whatever happens. It’s this faithful presence that makes the ability to hope come to life in me. <strong>What do you say to those who feel called to a commitment as a religious or a lay Dominican but doubt that they’re equal to it?</strong> It0s the Gospel, it’s Jesus who draws near to me. Do I want to contribute to this approach to others? I’m not sure I’m capable of it, I know that I won’t be up to it every day, that I’ll meet many hindrances. That doesn’t matter, I don’t doubt Jesus and his word. How isn’t so important, it’s not my wish to be up to it that counts, it’s the Word that puts itself at my level. The Word of God never asks more than we are capable of. Sometimes we waste too much time wondering if we’re capable of this or that. We should rather ask ourselves: this Word of God is capable of me. It wants to draw near to the world. Do I believe it? I like to tell this story. One of my beloved brethren told me that man often asks God for his address, and God invites him to … the other side of the world. That’s his address, because he stays with those who, in their own eyes, think that they don’t count. Now, for God, everyone counts.    

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